Talk:List of opcodes - Revision history

Seemann: /* Opcodes pages suggestions? */

2017-01-11T11:30:13Z

‎Opcodes pages suggestions?

Spaceeinstein: /* Opcodes pages suggestions? */

2016-12-28T14:16:05Z

‎Opcodes pages suggestions?

Link2012 at 04:09, 28 December 2016

2016-12-28T04:09:46Z

Seemann at 21:33, 27 December 2016

2016-12-27T21:33:34Z

Link2012 at 18:06, 27 December 2016

2016-12-27T18:06:51Z

Spaceeinstein at 10:01, 27 December 2016

2016-12-27T10:01:51Z

Link2012 at 21:06, 26 December 2016

2016-12-26T21:06:09Z

Spaceeinstein: /* Opcodes pages suggestions? */

2016-12-26T16:06:42Z

‎Opcodes pages suggestions?

Link2012 at 18:57, 25 December 2016

2016-12-25T18:57:53Z

Seemann: /* Opcodes pages suggestions? */

2016-12-25T08:40:25Z

‎Opcodes pages suggestions?

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 :::::::Perhaps in their own pages, ''Command Name (3D Universe)'', then? --[[User:Link2012|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012|talk]]) 04:09, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 :::::::That's an unfair assessment of GTA 2. I like GTA 2 and would document it if I weren't so busy with III/VC. Why should popularity factor into this? There is almost no activity on SA's opcodes documentation anyway so I doubt completion of them can be a goal.--[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein|talk]]) 14:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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 '''CREATE_CAR''' is a command that creates a vehicle at the location.

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 ::::::GTA2? Really? No, seriously, who even cares? Why spend time on documenting things nobody scripts for when we have so much opcodes left undocumented especially for San Andreas? Combining 3D and HD era commands documentation in one page is a bad idea in my opinion, not only because of redirects. They are from totally different scripting engines and I see no way for scripts from 3D era to be reused in HD games. So, half a page will be useless for one group of people, and another half will be useless for the rest. Similarly, we have different sections on GTAF for 3D/HD and nobody complains. [[User:Seemann|Seemann]] ([[User talk:Seemann|talk]]) 21:31, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 :::::::Perhaps in their own pages, ''Command Name (3D Universe)'', then? --[[User:Link2012|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012|talk]]) 04:09, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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 ::::Looks good! Perhaps GTA III &mdash; Vice City Stories should be something like 3D Universe and GTA IV should be HD Universe or something like that? Plus what will happen on the opcode-titled pages since we can't strictly redirect since a single opcode can be of multiple commands (due to Stories and such)? And, this seems like a bit of work, I suppose you can automate it a lot by using a script with the MediaWiki API? [[User:Link2012|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012|talk]]) 18:06, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 ::::::GTA2? Really? No, seriously, who even cares? Why spend time on documenting things nobody scripts for when we have so much opcodes left undocumented especially for San Andreas? Combining 3D and HD era commands documentation in one page is a bad idea in my opinion, not only because of redirects. They are from totally different scripting engines and I see no way for scripts from 3D era to be reused in HD games. So, half a page will be useless for one group of people, and another half will be useless for the rest. Similarly, we have different sections on GTAF for 3D/HD and nobody complains. [[User:Seemann|Seemann]] ([[User talk:Seemann|talk]]) 21:31, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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 ::::What do you think of this?--[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein|talk]]) 09:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 ::::Looks good! Perhaps GTA III &mdash; Vice City Stories should be something like 3D Universe and GTA IV should be HD Universe or something like that? Plus what will happen on the opcode-titled pages since we can't strictly redirect since a single opcode can be of multiple commands (due to Stories and such)? And, this seems like a bit of work, I suppose you can automate it a lot by using a script with the MediaWiki API? [[User:Link2012|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012|talk]]) 18:06, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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 :::Try doing this with one command (e.g. CREATE_CAR / 00A5 / 0048) and let's see how the final result looks like. --[[User:Link2012|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012|talk]]) 21:05, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 ::::What do you think of this?--[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein|talk]]) 09:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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	::Having opcodes as page names had been an issue when the Stories games came out. Would you like one page like CREATE_CAR to contain information from all relevant games? It would be nice to have VCS's information on 0048 be alongside with information on 00A5's page, among others. And it would give a nice home to GTA 2's commands.--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 16:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC)		::Having opcodes as page names had been an issue when the Stories games came out. Would you like one page like CREATE_CAR to contain information from all relevant games? It would be nice to have VCS's information on 0048 be alongside with information on 00A5's page, among others. And it would give a nice home to GTA 2's commands.--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 16:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
	:::Try doing this with one command (e.g. CREATE_CAR / 00A5 / 0048) and let's see how the final result looks like. --[[User:Link2012\|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012\|talk]]) 21:05, 26 December 2016 (UTC)		:::Try doing this with one command (e.g. CREATE_CAR / 00A5 / 0048) and let's see how the final result looks like. --[[User:Link2012\|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012\|talk]]) 21:05, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
		+	::::What do you think of this?--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 09:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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		+	<div style="border: 1px solid lightgray; margin: 2em; padding: 2em;">
		+	'''CREATE_CAR''' is a command that creates a vehicle at the location.
		+	<div style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: #F9F9F9; display: table; padding: 7px;">
		+	'''Contents'''
		+
		+	''table of contents''
		+	</div>
		+
		+	== GTA 2 ==
		+	=== Syntax ===
		+	CREATE_CAR ...
		+	==== Parameters ====
		+	...
		+	==== Return ====
		+	''none''
		+	=== Description ===
		+	...further information...
		+	=== Example ===
		+	...
		+	=== See also ===
		+	...if applicable...
		+	== GTA III — Vice City Stories ==
		+	=== Syntax ===
		+	CREATE_CAR ...
		+	==== Sanny Builder ====
		+	*{{Icon\|t}} {{Icon\|LCS}} 00A5 ...
		+	*{{Icon\|VCS}} 0048 ...
		+	==== Parameters ====
		+	...
		+	==== Return ====
		+	''none''
		+	=== Description ===
		+	...further information...
		+	=== Example ===
		+	...includes GTA3script and Sanny Builder examples...
		+	=== See also ===
		+	...if applicable...
		+	== GTA IV ==
		+	=== Syntax ===
		+	CREATE_CAR ...
		+	==== Parameters ====
		+	...
		+	==== Return ====
		+	''none''
		+	=== Description ===
		+	...further information...
		+	=== Example ===
		+	...
		+	=== See also ===
		+	...if applicable...
		+	== Keywords ==
		+	...
		+
		+	''Categories?''
		+	</div>

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	::Having opcodes as page names had been an issue when the Stories games came out. Would you like one page like CREATE_CAR to contain information from all relevant games? It would be nice to have VCS's information on 0048 be alongside with information on 00A5's page, among others. And it would give a nice home to GTA 2's commands.--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 16:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC)		::Having opcodes as page names had been an issue when the Stories games came out. Would you like one page like CREATE_CAR to contain information from all relevant games? It would be nice to have VCS's information on 0048 be alongside with information on 00A5's page, among others. And it would give a nice home to GTA 2's commands.--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 16:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
		+	:::Try doing this with one command (e.g. CREATE_CAR / 00A5 / 0048) and let's see how the final result looks like. --[[User:Link2012\|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012\|talk]]) 21:05, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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	:Thank you for all your hard work! From the current point of view I see the only way to improve opcode articles is to add code snippets demonstrating how this opcode functions. Like [[009A]] but make it a CLEO script so you only need to Copy-Paste the code into SB and compile (or maybe provide a downloadable .cs file). [[User:Seemann\|Seemann]] ([[User talk:Seemann\|talk]]) 08:40, 25 December 2016 (UTC)		:Thank you for all your hard work! From the current point of view I see the only way to improve opcode articles is to add code snippets demonstrating how this opcode functions. Like [[009A]] but make it a CLEO script so you only need to Copy-Paste the code into SB and compile (or maybe provide a downloadable .cs file). [[User:Seemann\|Seemann]] ([[User talk:Seemann\|talk]]) 08:40, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
	:The pages are titled after opcodes, plausible since the command titles are taken by RAGE pages, but what will happen once we start using [http://gtaforums.com/topic/205020-generic-sa-scm-documentation/page-5 hashes/dynamic opcodes] instead of fixed opcodes? That is, the only fixed thing is the command name. 'Course, this will only affect the documentation of future custom commands. Additionally, what about NOPed commands? For instance, [[0416\|LOAD_AND_LAUNCH_MISSION]] maps to [[0417\|LOAD_AND_LAUNCH_MISSION_INTERNAL]]. [[0700\|SKIP_MISSION_START]] and [[0911\|REGISTER_STREAMED_SCRIPT]] though maps to [[0707\|SKIP_MISSION_START_INTERNAL]] and [[0914\|REGISTER_STREAMED_SCRIPT_INTERNAL]], which have different amount and type of parameters. Not sure if we should create a sole page or redirect the first page into the laters? Try not to ignore the existence of the native language while producing further documentation. --[[User:Link2012\|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012\|talk]]) 18:57, 25 December 2016 (UTC)		:The pages are titled after opcodes, plausible since the command titles are taken by RAGE pages, but what will happen once we start using [http://gtaforums.com/topic/205020-generic-sa-scm-documentation/page-5 hashes/dynamic opcodes] instead of fixed opcodes? That is, the only fixed thing is the command name. 'Course, this will only affect the documentation of future custom commands. Additionally, what about NOPed commands? For instance, [[0416\|LOAD_AND_LAUNCH_MISSION]] maps to [[0417\|LOAD_AND_LAUNCH_MISSION_INTERNAL]]. [[0700\|SKIP_MISSION_START]] and [[0911\|REGISTER_STREAMED_SCRIPT]] though maps to [[0707\|SKIP_MISSION_START_INTERNAL]] and [[0914\|REGISTER_STREAMED_SCRIPT_INTERNAL]], which have different amount and type of parameters. Not sure if we should create a sole page or redirect the first page into the laters? Try not to ignore the existence of the native language while producing further documentation. --[[User:Link2012\|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012\|talk]]) 18:57, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
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		+	::Having opcodes as page names had been an issue when the Stories games came out. Would you like one page like CREATE_CAR to contain information from all relevant games? It would be nice to have VCS's information on 0048 be alongside with information on 00A5's page, among others. And it would give a nice home to GTA 2's commands.--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 16:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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	I have gone through the majority of the opcodes pages and updated them to be as consistent, correct, and clear as possible. Does anyone have suggestions on further improvements on them?--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 16:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)		I have gone through the majority of the opcodes pages and updated them to be as consistent, correct, and clear as possible. Does anyone have suggestions on further improvements on them?--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 16:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
	:Thank you for all your hard work! From the current point of view I see the only way to improve opcode articles is to add code snippets demonstrating how this opcode functions. Like [[009A]] but make it a CLEO script so you only need to Copy-Paste the code into SB and compile (or maybe provide a downloadable .cs file). [[User:Seemann\|Seemann]] ([[User talk:Seemann\|talk]]) 08:40, 25 December 2016 (UTC)		:Thank you for all your hard work! From the current point of view I see the only way to improve opcode articles is to add code snippets demonstrating how this opcode functions. Like [[009A]] but make it a CLEO script so you only need to Copy-Paste the code into SB and compile (or maybe provide a downloadable .cs file). [[User:Seemann\|Seemann]] ([[User talk:Seemann\|talk]]) 08:40, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
		+	:The pages are titled after opcodes, plausible since the command titles are taken by RAGE pages, but what will happen once we start using [http://gtaforums.com/topic/205020-generic-sa-scm-documentation/page-5 hashes/dynamic opcodes] instead of fixed opcodes? That is, the only fixed thing is the command name. 'Course, this will only affect the documentation of future custom commands. Additionally, what about NOPed commands? For instance, [[0416\|LOAD_AND_LAUNCH_MISSION]] maps to [[0417\|LOAD_AND_LAUNCH_MISSION_INTERNAL]]. [[0700\|SKIP_MISSION_START]] and [[0911\|REGISTER_STREAMED_SCRIPT]] though maps to [[0707\|SKIP_MISSION_START_INTERNAL]] and [[0914\|REGISTER_STREAMED_SCRIPT_INTERNAL]], which have different amount and type of parameters. Not sure if we should create a sole page or redirect the first page into the laters? Try not to ignore the existence of the native language while producing further documentation. --[[User:Link2012\|Link2012]] ([[User talk:Link2012\|talk]]) 18:57, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

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	I have gone through the majority of the opcodes pages and updated them to be as consistent, correct, and clear as possible. Does anyone have suggestions on further improvements on them?--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 16:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)		I have gone through the majority of the opcodes pages and updated them to be as consistent, correct, and clear as possible. Does anyone have suggestions on further improvements on them?--[[User:Spaceeinstein\|Spaceeinstein]] ([[User talk:Spaceeinstein\|talk]]) 16:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
		+	:Thank you for all your hard work! From the current point of view I see the only way to improve opcode articles is to add code snippets demonstrating how this opcode functions. Like [[009A]] but make it a CLEO script so you only need to Copy-Paste the code into SB and compile (or maybe provide a downloadable .cs file). [[User:Seemann\|Seemann]] ([[User talk:Seemann\|talk]]) 08:40, 25 December 2016 (UTC)